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The Case Against An Adjustable Mouth On A Plane


The Case Against An Adjustable Mouth On A Plane 4For the past couple of decades the adjustable mouth has always been on the laundry list of features a plane should have. For example in an article in Fine Woodworking #171 by Chris Gochnour on shoulder planes one big complaint he had about the Clifton shoulder planes is that they do not have an adjustable mouth. What he doesn't explain is why it matters.
The real question is not if a plane has or doesn't have an adjustable mouth but what, if any, advantage are they to the user?

I'm not arguing against a fine mouth on a plane, but rather why we should care if a plane has or doesn't have an adjustable mouth, as long as the mouth it has is fairly fine.

I would suggest that the only real reason for an adjustable mouth on any plane, bench, shoulder, specialty or otherwise is the ease of manufacture.

Traditionally made wooden planes do not have adjustable mouths. You will occasionally come across a well used plane where a later user has repaired the mouth of the plane and inserted a piece of wood to tighten up the mouth. But the planes weren't sold that way. Norris and other firms also made iron front plates which could be retrofitted to a wooden plane for the same purpose. But these were repairs and once the retrofit was done to an old plane the mouth was fixed again to a specific width.

English style steel planes by Norris, Spiers, and other makers never had adjustable mouths. Planemakers would fit planes for a fairly thin mouth and that was that. You could "Adjust the mouth" by swapping in a thinner or thicker blade, but that required getting a new blade. There is user literature (I forget where) that suggests using a shim behind the blade near the sole to tighten the mouth of a plane or a shim behind the blade far way from the sole as possible to tilt the blade up and widen the mouth. Of course on a bevel up shoulder or mitre plane a thicker iron doesn't effect the mouth opening.

In the wooden plane world quality smooth planes came with very, very fine mouths and in use as the sole and blade wore you could either replace the blade or more likely start using the plane for less critical work and get a new plane for the very fine work. A well fitted cap iron also makes the mouth size less critical for all but the most difficult of situations but that is another story.

For the sake of argument let's suggest you want to make a plane with a .004" mouth (which is really fine). From a hand work perspective it takes skill but not much else. The plane maker just makes the plane with an overly tight mouth and then skillfully widens it to whatever dimension is called for. Or you can size an iron to whatever thickness you want to. This method is reliable but also requires skilled labor. The biggest problem is that between normal variations of blade thickness and body manufacturing tolerances making a mass production tool with a consistently fine mouth is near impossible, and in the 19th century, impossible. The steel plane makers such as Norris and Spiers (and modern makers) solved the problem by custom fitting each iron to each blade and then stamping assembly numbers on everything so that once fitted it was easy to keep blade and body together during manufacture.

Shoulder planes by Norris, Spiers and others were made with very tight, non-adjustable mouths. The adjustable iron shoulder planes that Preston invented at the turn of the 20th century, that Record later bought out, and Clifton copied, didn't have adjustable mouths. Later versions of the same planes by Record and Lie-Nielsen did. On fixed mouthed shoulder planes of all kinds you will occasionally see planes with widened mouths but the finer the mouth of the plane the easier it is to control as it enters and exits the sides of a joint.

Part of the brilliance of Leonard Bailey's bench plane design was that it was made of easily reproduced cast iron parts that each only needed a little machining in a couple of places. The frog, where the blade rested on was just bolted onto the sole of the plane and it was adjustable so that no matter what the machining and blade thickness tolerances were, the frog could be positioned wherever you wanted to for whatever mouth wide you desired. There was no need for a skilled hand to hand tweak the metal parts to get a good fit. This allows for mass production.

If you have ever reset the frog of an older Stanley plane you immediately find that even on a Bedrock there is enough play and tolerance in the fitting so that getting the blade square to the body can be quite finicky and isn't a five second operation. By transferring the responsibility of setting the mouth of the plane square and at the right width from the factory where it would need skilled labor, to the customer who could either do it or not, Leonard Bailey saved himself oodles of expensive labor.

The marketing argument for the adjustable mouth was and is that with an adjustable mouth the woodworker can set the mouth of their plane to whatever opening they find suitable for the wood at hand. But in general most professionals didn't work a huge range of wood species that required changing the mouth setting and in 30 years of collecting, using, and comparing planes I don't think I have ever found one that showed any evidence of anyone every adjusting the frog position. The only time I have ever seen stripped out screws and things is when it was on a plane were the frog was incorrectly set and someone probably tried to fix it.

This of course never stopped Stanley, the mass marketers of Bailey bench planes, to try to make it easier and easier to set the frog. First they added a screw behind the frog so you could "micro-adjust" the frog position. Then they introduced a "Bedrock" design which allowed you to adjust the frog with the plane iron in place. Back to back comparisons of the same vintage Bedrock series planes to standard Bailey bench planes give the Bedrock an edge in performance, mostly because the frog is bedded with more contact area to the sole in the Bedrock design, but you still don't see evidence outside of the company literature suggesting that anyone adjusted their frog position as a matter of course.

In general for a smoothing plane you will want to take a shaving of a couple of thou or less. If you use your plane a lot the front edge of the mouth will wear so it's an open question if closing the mouth of the plane to only a few thou makes any sense. Also the tighter the mouth the easier it is for a slightly out of square frog to cause trouble and getting it perfect is time consuming. A mouth of say .010" is pretty wide from a super thin shaving standpoint and if you look at people's planes it's rare that the mouth is set so fine. Don't get me wrong, there are cases where that's appropriate and having a super fine mouth makes sense when the blade is perfectly sharp, the cap iron set correctly, etc. But it's rare. But the more important point is that after you get your plane all set up with the fine mouth why would you ever move it wider?

The idea of an adjustable mouth being important becomes more ludicrous when you consider that the overwhelming number of Stanley planes were sold for use in construction and were used for trimming softwood on a construction site.

Modern plane makers such as Clifton, Lie-Nielsen, Lee Valley, and Wood River have the manufacturing ability to make an adjustable mouth with enough precision so it can be adjusted without needed a lot of fiddling, but that doesn't change the fact that it is far, far less expensive even today to built a plane with a user adjustable mouth, than have a skilled craftsman hand fit the mouth.

From a user standpoint is an adjustable mouth worth having anyway? The only time I have ever adjusted the mouth of a plane is when I have retrofitted older planes with newer, thicker irons. Certainly that's a reason for the old planes to have moveable frogs. But premium planes of today already come with thick irons so there is no advantage on that score.

My best plane doesn't have an adjustable mouth and I never felt the need for one. On a bevel up shoulder plane there really is no point. A tight mouth on a shoulder plane makes the plane easier to control on entry and exit on the wood. Less hooking on and damaging the edges.

Now I am not at all arguing the benefit of a fine mouth on a plane, and on a smoothing plane a very fine mouth. I am simply arguing that considering the actual thickness of shaving the benefit to the manufacture in an adjustable mouth far exceeds the benefit to the user, and the main advantage is that adjustable mouth planes are far easier and less expensive to manufacture.

The lower cost of course is an important advantage to user, but that's it.

The two planes in the picture are a late 18th century mitre plane by Gabriel and a 1920's vintage steel soled cast Norris shoulder plane. With bevel up planes a fine mouth - even on a shoulder plane cutting end grain, gives more control, but the real performance difference in steel planes is that the sole behind the iron comes to a knife edge and the blade is supported almost up to the cutting edge. Cast bevel up planes, even very good ones typically don't have this level of support and don't work as smoothly.

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07/17/2013 Pete van der Lugt
I'm wouldn't argue your point that adjustable mouth planes may be cheaper to manufacture. As a user, if it makes the plane less expensive to me, (IF, they pass the savings to me, great), but the point you completely fail to address, is that SOMETIMES, we want to take thicker shavings, yes, even with our smoothing planes and shoulder planes. And BINGO, what a great thing that we can adjust the mouths of our planes to achieve that function. While we often have multiple planes, some set for thicker shavings, others for fine, not everyone has that luxury. Certainly not in the 19th and early 20th century. And when I'm done with that job, (that you may not ever have to do personally), isn't it great that I can tighten the mouth back to take finer shavings. Not to be critical, I'm a big fan of yours and your company, but it's just a wee bit egotistical, to think that you have considered every possible job that every person has faced with their own stable of planes.

Being able to adjust the mouth, removes any doubt that if a person is faced with a certain wood, grain characteristic, job type, that they can adjust the mouth to what THEY feel comfortable with. It certainly doesn't mean everyone has the intelligence to do it correctly, but should they only make planes for people who have ONE skill level?

Broaden the scope of the people you are considering.

I appreciate your writing though.

It's pretty rare that anyone sets a mouth on a plane less that 10 or 20 thou. a thicker shaving than the typical 1 or 2 thou will easily past through the mouth without resetting anything and a 8 or 15 thou shaving is huge. And you are right - sometimes you might want to take a much thicker shaving - aside from the tearout that will result (which may not matter) but while that might be an occasional modern planing operation, it's pretty rare for someone with a well set up smoother to do, and historically I haven't seen any Stanley planes that show evidence of the frog EVER being adjusted. Block planes with adjustable mouths are another matter, but the adjustable mouths on most of the old ones were pretty finicky and adjusting them could easily put the sole out of flat.
07/17/2013 Michael Brown
Enjoyed reading your blog and agreed with most of what you said. However you missed one point regarding the value of an adjustable mouth - the problem of tight mouths clogging up, especially with fibrous woods. An adjustable mouth can help to prevent clogging.
07/17/2013 Joe Jerkins
Any thoughts as to why many of the mitre planes made for the NYC piano makers (Poppins, Erlandsen, Brandt ...) had adjustable mouths? Is it perhaps so they could do both fine work as well as more coarse work with the same plane?
IIRC all the NY makers cast their planes. In a cast plane it is near impossible to take the casting and reliably machine a fine mouth. The solution in both English and these American mitre planes was always to use an insert mouth. An adjustable mouth is far, far easier to fit than a fixed insert mouth (especially if you don't have a modern machine shop).

I've handled a few American (NY) mitre planes over the year. In general I am underwhelmed by their fit and finish compared to the English contemporaries. All the planes I personally have seen have been handled and disassembled over the years so I can't tell you if they were used with an open or closed mouth, or if the mouth was routinely adjusted.
07/18/2013 Joseph
Joel, Good article. So I looked at my line up and all my users (new and old) are fixed. All my adjustable are on the shelf and my favorite, an early 604-1/2, never gives me any problems. I can take it fine or heavy and it always meets my expectations. But then I don't build pianos. Never thought about it much but what you say makes sense. We all look for short cuts to increase our profit weather for the inner or the outer. Nothing wrong in that as long as we make those cuts with respect and good service to our fellow man. I doubt that many manufactures care or cared much about respect and service. Lie-Neilson and a few others are the exception. Anyway your point is well made and thanks for the insight. As a user I never saw the value of the adjustables. Maybe thats why they are on the shelf. Best regards, Joseph
08/22/2013 Graham
Interesting article, I had never really thought of the adjustable mouth of a metal plane being a cost-saving strategy. I have very limited experience but this would explain the large amount of play in the frog adjustment mechanisms on the metal planes that I've seen, i.e. that when not screwed down they can move around significantly in just about every direction.

I was wondering if you could comment more or direct me to more information on the iron front plates that you mentioned which were sometimes fitted to wooden planes. I recently found a John Moseley and Son smoothing plane which has a a very thick metal toe piece which I believe must be a retrofitted repair. However, unlike the fixed front plates you mentioned this one is attached in such a way that makes the mouth easily adjustable.
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